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Posted on Wednesday, May 25 2005 @ 12:55:37 CEST by LSDsmurf |
Heading into this year's E3, the limelight was undoubtedly focused on the console manufacturers and what they had in store that was going to revolutionize the gaming world. This being the case, we have decided to put together a comprehensive look at how Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo faired at this year's E3 Expo. Did Sony's CELL processor send the competition running scared? Will the Xbox 360 change how games are played? Is Nintendo going to make you buy a purple console again? These are all questions that we'll address and to help put things in perspective, we'll give each an overall score based on their press briefing, booth presence, and software lineup. We'll start with the Microsoft Xbox 360.
Link: TTZ
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Re: Xbox 360 console (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25 2005 @ 14:08:07 CEST | | Playstation 3 and nintendo revolution will blow X-box 360 out of the water!!!! |
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by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25 2005 @ 14:38:04 CEST | I do think that it is funny that all the anti-microsoft people are popping up talking about how "slow" the Xbox 360 is going to be. They also say things about how the current PS2 hardware is on par with the Xbox when the Xbox clearly blows the PS2 out of the water. You can argue about the quality of the games but the Xbox hardware is clearly more powerful.
Keep in mind that the Xbox 360 is faster than any computer that a consumer can currently buy or build at this time. Even most businesses can't afford this much processing power. I think that at least for the first couple of years the hardware of both systems is going to be so powerful that it will just come down to who has the best games.
By the way, this is coming from someone who owns a PS2, does not own an Xbox, and will most likely buy a PS3 so that I can play my old PS and PS2 games. I just think all these people talking about how "slow" the Xbox 360 is are clueless about hardware and have no real understanding of how powerful both of these units really are. |
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Re: Xbox 360 console (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25 2005 @ 14:57:55 CEST | | The question is if it would be more secure, as a new phishing vulnerability was found in the xbox360.com website.. ( http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/050525/uktu005.html?.v=14 ) |
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by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25 2005 @ 15:22:53 CEST | XBOX 360 IS superior to the PS3 ...unless the PS3 gets changed between now and shiping time. The boxes that are sent out now are LESS than what the XBO 360 will ship with. DirectX is a ABSTRACTION layer. That means it doesnt matter what hardware it is on it will run the software the same. Go educate yourselfs. http://www.microsoft.com/xna/. The XBOX 360 is superior because they had CUSTOM chips made on the ATI to make its shader processing part RAM and part shader stack. Look up ATIs patent. Microsoft also worked with IBM to make CUSTOM PowerPC chips. These are NOT the same chips in MACs hehehe. These IBM chips have custom vertices processor chips added to allow the PowerPC chips to offload triangle calculations. Hell the PowerPC chips themselves (with 6 hardward threads! and 1MB Cache!!) will hardly be used for graphics at all ...unlike the PS3 cell chip which must be used to help out the NVidia graphics chips .... MOST people will not have 1080p HDTVs for a LONG time and so PS3s ability to use its 2 teraflops to acheive that high definition is moot. From 1080i on down the XBOX 360 is going to be FASTER... hell we have not even talked about XBOX 360s 256 GB/s memory bandwidth compared to PS3s 25.6GB/s memory bandwidth. This combined with the 1MB cache on EACH processor will make things fly no matter how hard the developers push the software... PS3 developers will have to watch what they do or the PS3 will s sh shu shutter....
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[ Reply to This ]Re: Xbox 360 console (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25 2005 @ 15:59:20 CEST | | Anyone who still thinks they would rather have a PS3 than an Xbox 360 has most likely not played with Xbox Live very much. Xbox Live is amazing and has completely changed the way I play video games, it can add months of playability on to a good game. As long as Sony doesn't have an online environment that rivals Xbox Live, the PS3 is just a waste of money as far as I'm concerened. If someone hasn't played Xbox live I would strongly suggest getting some experience with it before making a decision on a next-gen console. |
[ Reply to This ]1080p missing on XBox 360 (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25 2005 @ 16:01:29 CEST | | 1080i is 1/2 the pixel rate ... bah! |
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by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25 2005 @ 16:09:25 CEST | | Lol. This is gonna be awesome. m/> |
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by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25 2005 @ 16:25:23 CEST | No matter who has the fastest processor, sexiest design or best connectivity ability, sooner or later people will realize that it's all about good games. For all of the supposed power PS2 is supposed to have over the Game Cube, many people I know have been investing much more time into their Cubes over the PS2 (long before RE4 came along). And even though PS2 has the largest established library of the three current systems, the amount of X-Box owners continues to grow. So the bottom line is games, nothing else.
I am looking forward to the release of both the 360 and the Revolution, with the PS# as a distant second. I wish all three platforms the best of luck, and most importantly I hope all 3 will have some great games at launch. |
[ Reply to This ]Re: Xbox 360 console (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25 2005 @ 16:26:38 CEST | No matter who has the fastest processor, sexiest design or best connectivity ability, sooner or later people will realize that it's all about good games. For all of the supposed power PS2 is supposed to have over the Game Cube, many people I know have been investing much more time into their Cubes over the PS2 (long before RE4 came along). And even though PS2 has the largest established library of the three current systems, the amount of X-Box owners continues to grow. So the bottom line is games, nothing else.
I am looking forward to the release of both the 360 and the Revolution, with the PS3 as a distant second. I wish all three platforms the best of luck, and most importantly I hope all 3 will have some great games at launch. |
[ Reply to This ]Re: Xbox 360 console (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25 2005 @ 16:30:21 CEST | Anybody who says Revolution and POS3 will blow xbox360 out of the water.
IS A COMPLETE IDIOT and isn't a true gamer.
A true gamer would say XBOX360 and Revolution will blow PS3 out of the water.
PS3 is all Hype.
XBOX360 running at 1/3rd power still has amazing looking games. |
[ Reply to This ]Re: Xbox 360 console (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25 2005 @ 16:45:38 CEST | Ok for all you peoples out there...
STFU and buy both systems... I will, there's no reason to be so hard lined for one system before you've played both, seen both, and sampled the selection of games that will be available for both systems. The PS3 and Xbox 360 will both look freakin amazing... |
[ Reply to This ]Re: Xbox 360 console (Score: 0)
by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25 2005 @ 16:56:54 CEST | | Do research on the different technologies, and read the official Specs from both Comapanies! You guys obviously know nothing about cell and the RSX you say that the 360 has a custom CPU from IBM, that is true but the Cell processor is a JOINT PROJECT between SONY, TOSHIBA, and (omg) I..B..M.. And the Cell has 9 processing cores one is a heavily modified PowerPC( nothing like the Mac's) and 8 vector processing units. and ALL of the 9 cores can handle two threads at a time soooo. thats 18 possible instructions per cycle and from your pst i assume you know thats more than double of what the 360's cpu can do. Also its very true that many people dont have 1080p but many people also dont have 1080i, its future application. But you are very wrong to say that it'll be years before we see them, I work at a major consumer electronics chain and I see HDMI connections on most LCD, Plasma, and other HD tv's so were maybe another year or two to full market take over (1080p HD TV's) Oh and the Cell doesnt help out the RSX, It's a symiotic relationship the both work dynamicly on a task much like the 360 except the main processor, Cell, has the ability or rather the processing power to handle Physics, AI, Sound, HD content other than Games (video chat), the System OS, Broadband Network Traffic, and work with the RSX on the gaming side. All at the same time. and compared to the PowerPC in the 360, the cell has about 2.3 MB of on-chip Ram, thats split up between the PowerPC cores' 512KB cache, and the 8 Vector processores' 256KB of SRAM Each. And by-the-way the 360's processor only shares a 512KB cache between the tree cores. And that 256 GB/s you noted for the 360 is ONLY on the ATI's 10 MB of ERAM not the overall system the system has a memory bandwith of 25.6GB/s due to the GDDR3 Ram look at the specs relaesed by Microsoft themselves. And finally more proof the PS3 is superior in terms of processing power, the Cell (i stress the cell featured in the PS3, there are many versions of the Cell it was orginally manufatured at 4.6 Ghz but because of heat and power consumption they, Sony, had to reduce the speed to 3.2 Ghz.) can perform 218 GFLOPS while the PowerPC in the 360 has a max of 115 GFLOPS. And in your post you failed to mention the the overall sytem performance of the 360 ( again info released by Microsoft) is 1 TFLOPS. But even the RSX in the PS3 can perform 1.8 TFLOPS, its funny how the PS3's GPU is more powerful than the overall processing capabilities of the 360. Look at the official specs of the 360 and PS3 and think about the post you just made. |
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by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25 2005 @ 16:59:38 CEST | | i think people should put it in perspective that xbox 360 might a bit slower then ps3 has still made ties with most of the game developers which are the only reason ps2 was so sucessfull.xbox came into the game to late and the only thing that came with it was nintendo game cube and we all know who won that battle even though game cube is a lot powerfull then ps2 xbox has captured a lot of game developers like namco/team ninja which use to be ps2 allies. Now final fantasy is comeing on Xbox360 so being more powerfull is not gona win the battle haveing better games is and microsoft seems to be doing its job in buying out companys as rareware creators of donkey kong and alliance with EA and all other companys to support the xbox360 more then they will do to ps3 so ps3 might have its work cut out for them but still its is going to be a very close war b/w ms and sony nintendo its just blown so far away that recovery seems preety hard. even psp is kicking ds's ass. By the way i own a ps2,xbox and a game cube .finally micorosft knows how to make its marketing strategies its still kicking apples ass even though apparently their os is better then windows but 90% of the users are window users in the world. If people have seen E3 videos they would know that how much support developers are getting for xbox360 as compared to ps3, So just cause people hate microsoft doesnt mean that they can help ps3 win the game these are the same people who bought Halo , and Halo2 and those games are the biggest reason of sucess for xbox. nintendo just showed a black box with light around it who knows if there was sometihng inside or not making small console is not gona get them anywhere :) |
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by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25 2005 @ 18:13:37 CEST | | wow xbox 360 it looks really good but i think it will coast alot more that than xbox when it first came out. I am really looking forward to FABLE it looks really good. |
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by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25 2005 @ 18:22:06 CEST | | wow xbox 360 it looks really good but i think it will coast alot more that than xbox when it first came out. I am really looking forward to FABLE it looks really good.
It is a reaal y powerful and ps3 has a lot of comp because HALO 3 is comin out at the same time as ps3.
The reviloution isnt as good as i thought it would be. But nentendo hasent said any thing about there consol. But there handheld kick butt. They own 94% of all hand helds . psp didnt make as much as an impacked as sme poeple thought LOL.
i knew it wouldnt make that much of a problem with BILL GATES because he is really really really rich.
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by Anonymous on Thursday, May 26 2005 @ 02:57:05 CEST | Here's a comparison of things:
CPU
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Xbox 360: 3 @ 3.2 GHz each
PS3: 7 @ 3.2GHz each
Obvious Winner: PS3
Xbox 360: VMX-128 vector unit per core; three total
PS3: 1 VMX vector unit per core; seven total
Obvious Winner: PS3
Xbox 360: 1 MB L2 cache
PS3: 512KB L2 cache
Preliminary Winner: Xbox 360
CPU Game Math Performance
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Xbox 360: 9 billion dot product operations per second
PS3: 51 billion dot products per second
Obvious Winner: PS3
Shader Performance
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Xbox 360: 48 billion shader operations per second
PS3: 100 billion shader operations
Obvious Winner: PS3
Graphic Card Clock Speed
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Xbox 360: 500MHz
PS3: 550MHz
Preliminary Winner: PS3
Graphic Card Transitor Count
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Xbox 360: 332 million transistors (total from 2 pieces of graphics hardware,
232+100)
PS3: 300 million transistors
Preliminary Winner: Xbox 360 (very ify on this one, since it uses 2 hardware components to get 32 million more tranistors, I suspect PS3 may be better).
Memory
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Xbox 360: 512 MB of 700 MHz GDDR3 RAM
PS3: 256MB XDR main RAM at 3.2GHz, and 256MB of GDDR VRAM at 700MHz
Preliminary Winner: PS3
Xbox 360: 22.4 GB/s memory interface bus bandwidth
PS3: Main RAM 25.6GB/s
Preliminary Winner: PS3
Overall System Floating-Point Performance
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Xbox 360: 1 teraflop
PS3: 2 teraflops
Obvious Winner: PS3
Drive
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Xbox 360: 12x dual-layer DVD-ROM (CDR's to DVD's). Most likely HD-DVD playable.
PS3: Blu-ray (CDR's to DVD's to Blu-Ray DVD's). Most likely HD-DVD playable.
Preliminary Winner: PS3
Harddrive (not enough info given)
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Xbox 360: 20 gigs
PS3: No HDD, expandable slot only (for now) ??????
Preliminary Winner: Xbox 360
Wireless Controllers Max Number
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Xbox 360: 4
PS3: 7
Preliminary Winner: PS3 (they don't say how many controllers each console comes with)
USB 2.0 Slots
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Xbox 360: 3
PS3: 4
Preliminary Winner: PS3
Memory Stick Slots
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Xbox 360: 2
PS3: 3
Preliminary Winner: PS3
Network
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Xbox 360: 802.11a, 802.11b, and 802.11g
PS3: 802.11b, 802.11g
Preliminary Winner: Xbox 360
High Definition
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Xbox 360: 16:9, 720p, and 1080i (all their games MUST meet this)
PS3: 480i, 480p, 720p, 1080i, 1080p. Plus 2 HD-DVD outs that can show 2 different screen pictures.
Preliminary Winner: PS3
Summary: PS3 wins every category except: Cache size, Number of tranistors on the Graphics Components, Hard Disk Drive and it does not support 802.11a.
I believe cache was discussed in an earlier which would shed more light on this topic.
Overall PS3 is way, way more powerful. More than twice the CPU processing power, graphics capabilities is far more as well. It has the ability to do way more Physics and AI intensive code.
People who claim Xbox 360 is just a little bit slower are completely wrong.
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by Anonymous on Wednesday, May 25 2005 @ 16:56:54 CEST
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